WIKILEAKS despre diferite dialecte ale limbii Romani. Romii din Polonia nu se înțeleg între ei, de aceea standardizarea limbii a dat greș

Domnule Gheorghe Sarău, dacă și după citirea acestui articol, veți mai susține că romii vorbesc o singură limbă, cu mici deosebiri dialectale, înseamnă că sunteți mult mai informat decât  Serviciile Secrete ale Statelor Unite ale Americii. Pe scurt, telegrama desecretizată spune că ”încercările de a standardiza dialectele romilor au dat greș, pentru că ei vorbesc dialecte DIFERITE”. Același document menționează și cele patru grupuri rome din Polonia care nu își înțeleg dialectele: Polish Roma, Carpathian Roma (or Bergitka), Kalderash, and Lovash. 

Dacă în Polonia sunt PATRU dialecte rome, iar vorbitorii lor nu se înțeleg între ei, să vedem cum este situația dialectelor din România. În România sunt probabil 100 de dialecte, nimeni nu le-a descris, catalogat, nu există dicționare sau gramatici descriptive ale acestor dialecte. Nici romii din România nu se înțeleg unii pe alții, decât procentual.

În Ploiești, de pildă, sunt câteva dialecte rome, și romii nu se înțeleg între ei. Iată mărturiile lor din cartea scrisă de Georgeta Bidilică-Vasilache, De vorbă cu rromii ploieșteni despre rromi și ne-rromi. Neamurile rrome. Mentalități, tradiții, orgolii, pp. 126/127, CultArt, 2006

”Între limba zavragiilor și spoitorilor este diferență; înțelegem 10-20 la sută, spoitorii vorbesc repede; cu cocalarii ne înțelegem 50-60 la sută, cu pletoșii la fel.”

”Care sunt dialectele cele mai apropiate între ele? Zavragii cu corbenii 80 la sută; zavragii cu argintarii 50-60 la sută; zavragii cu cocalarii (burcașii)…50-60 la sută”

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POLAND’S MINORITY ROMA FACE UPHILL BATTLES DESPITE GOVERNMENT EFFORTS
2007 November 27, 16:12 (Tuesday)
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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 03 WARSAW 002273 SIPDIS SENSITIVE SIPDIS EUR/NCE FOR BART PUTNEY E.O. 12958: N/A TAGS: PGOV, PHUM, PREL, SCUL, PL SUBJECT: POLAND’S MINORITY ROMA FACE UPHILL BATTLES DESPITE GOVERNMENT EFFORTS 1. (SBU) SUMMARY. While Poland’s Roma population is not as large or significant as those in nearby countries, it remains a community which faces significant challenges. The GOP has recognized the distressing situation of the Roma minority in Poland. In 2001 it created the Pilot Program for the Roma Community in Malopolska (southern Poland) to promote the integration of Roma; that program was launched nationwide in 2003, with an annual budget of $3.4 million. Poland,s National Program to Counter Racial Discrimination and Related Intolerances and a Team on Monitoring Racism and Xenophobia further demonstrate the GOP,s efforts to improve the lives of Polish Roma. The Common Commission for National and Ethnic Minorities was created in 2005 to protect minorities, rights and facilitate their involvement in government. Increasing attention has also been paid to the promotion of Roma culture and the commemoration of Romas, historical struggles in festivals, publications, and exhibitions. Nonetheless, the GOP has not fully implemented its ambitious agenda, and as elsewhere in Central Europe, the Roma community continues to face substantial challenges, including failure to integrate into public life, inadequate education and housing, significant unemployment, and widespread societal discrimination. END SUMMARY 2. (U) PolOff and Interns met with various GOP and Roma community leaders and consulted Ministry of Interior (MOI) reports to develop this periodic update on the state of the Roma minority in Poland. BACKGROUND: ROMA IN POLAND ––––––––– 3. (U) The Roma population of Poland was almost entirely destroyed during World War II. The remaining Roma were forced to disperse and assimilate under the communist government’s compulsory settlement policy. The twin legacies of Nazi massacres and communist authorities, forced assimilation led the Roma to view state institutions as a threat to their traditions and community. Roma opted instead to further isolate their community from the rest of Polish society. 4. (U) According to the 2002 census, approximately 12,900 Polish citizens are Roma, making it the fourth largest national minority group after Germans, Belorussians, and Ukrainians. Many claim the true number of Roma is much higher * from 20,000 to 50,000 * noting that Roma frequently deny their ethnicity out of fear that the police will use such information against them. Roma communities are most highly concentrated in Southern Poland and in the cities of Tarnow, Olsztyn, Wroclaw, Andrychow, and Ciechanow. There are four distinct ethnic groups: Polish Roma, Carpathian Roma (or Bergitka), Kalderash, and Lovash. Polish Roma comprise the largest group and maintain their own dialect and internal community structure presided over by a judge. 5. (U) The Roma population is far from unified: in addition to territorial divisions, the four Roma groups speak distinct dialects and attempts to systematize the Roma language have failed. Poland,s Roma community is smaller and has been less pressured to assimilate than the Roma populations of neighboring countries. As a result, the community tends to be more traditional, less educated, and less likely to speak Polish. The traditional unwritten legal code, Mageripen, is still followed by many. ISSUES FACING POLISH ROMA ––––––––- 6. (U) The Roma Community’s isolation from mainstream Polish society results in a lack of knowledge among other Polish citizens about the minority and widespread, negative stereotyping. The Polish Criminal Law penalizes all forms of violence, public insult, and discrimination on the basis of ethnic identities; however, many reports confirm that Roma are continuously subject to racism and discrimination. According to a 2004 Public Opinion Research Center poll, 56% of Poles had negative views of Roma, the highest percentage of any ethnic group. A 2002 European Roma Rights Center (ERRC) report on the Roma in Poland cited racially motivated violence and discrimination with regards to education, employment, health care, housing, and social welfare. Nevertheless, few cases of discrimination against Roma are heard in court. In 2004, Amnesty International reported that incidents against Roma were not properly investigated by Polish law enforcement. Police have been known to racially profile and discriminate against Roma and use excessive force against them. The Roma community distrusts authorities, making cooperation between police and Roma difficult. WARSAW 00002273 002 OF 003 Roma Face Uphill Battle to Break the Cycle of Poverty ––––––––––––––– ––– 7. (U) One enduring, negative stereotype of the Roma population is its perceived idleness. The majority of Roma live without permanent employment. Many traditional practices are no longer in demand and trade, especially of Western cars, has become the most common Roma profession. Others perform odd jobs, work illegally, and some beg; many depend on social welfare. High unemployment rates are exacerbated because many have limited or no Polish language skills, lack qualifications and face employer discrimination. Roma passivity in searching for a job also plays a part: a 1999 report conducted by the Association of the Roma in Poland (ARP) found that only 32% of those questioned were willing to work professionally. 8. (U) Poverty and discrimination force Roma to live in segregated areas, in substandard dwellings without proper sewage, running water, electricity, or heating. As many as ten family members live in one room. Substandard housing conditions, poor diets and limited access to health services, lead to a higher instance of disease and shorter life spans. Circulatory and respiratory system diseases, diabetes, and viral type B hepatitis are frequent. 9. (U) Low levels of education further perpetuate the cycle of poverty and unemployment. A 1999 ARP report demonstrated that only two-thirds of Roma had finished elementary school and only 0.8% had obtained some kind of higher education. Roma children are behind and have trouble keeping up, in part because parents cannot afford nursery school. Parents also fear that Polish education is a means of indoctrination and thereby a threat to Roma principles. Discrimination additionally impedes the immersion of Roma children in Polish schools: one third of Polish pupils in a recent poll stated that they would prefer not to sit with &a Roma ) Gypsy.8 Roma parents often choose to place their children in classes that cater exclusively to Roma children in order to protect them from such hostility. These classes may provide a safe haven from discrimination, but most Roma organizations see them as substandard and believe they reinforce segregation. 10. (U) The Roma population’s self-isolation leads to its needs and concerns being ignored. Many Roma harbor a negative view of politics and do not realize that political participation could improve their standing. Although Roma civil society organizations are on the rise, – the MOI currently has a list of over 50 Roma NGOs – many are limited to a small local area. Only two organizations, the Central Roma Council and ARP, aim to represent larger Roma communities. GOP Programming Targets Gap in Education –––––––––––––- 11. (U) The GOP has recognized the poor situation of the Roma in Poland and has made serious attempts to improve it on multiple fronts. In 2003, the MOI instituted a Program for the Roma Community across Poland, based on a previous pilot program in the Malopolska region. The program was created to address education, employment, health, living conditions, and functional skills in civil society. The program has an annual budget of $3.4 million (10 million PLN) through 2013, with the possibility of an extension. A monitoring team evaluates the program’s progress and makes appropriate changes when necessary. (Note: The program got off to a rocky start with the GOP meeting only 50-60% of its budget from 2003 to 2006. Although the GOP has since fulfilled its financial commitment, some are skeptical that it will continue to do so.) 12. (U) Education is the main priority of the program. In order to promote integrated classrooms, a state-supported Roma kindergarten was set up in 2005 in Czarna Gora that brings Roma students up to the level of Polish ethnic students. Attempts to increase pre-school attendance have also been successful in narrowing the gap between Roma and Polish education levels. Once Roma students are enrolled in Polish schools, ethnic Roma assistants monitor their progress and establish a rapport between Roma families and Polish teachers. 13. (U) The GOP has made great strides in recognizing the need to combat racial intolerance in Poland. In 2004, it created a National Program to Counter Racial Discrimination and Related Intolerances, and the MOI established a team to track instances of ethnically motivated crimes. In 2005, the GOP passed the Law on National and Ethnic Minorities and WARSAW 00002273 003 OF 003 Regional Language to ensure a high standard of legal protection for victims of ethnic discrimination. Aware of Roma distrust for law enforcement officials, a new senior position was created in the Polish National Police to work with Roma communities. Police undergo training programs to sensitize them to Roma culture and teach them about the prosecution of hate crimes. 14. (U) Some progress has been made in engaging Roma in public life. The Sejm established a Common Commission for National and Ethnic Minorities following the adoption of the Law on National Minorities. The Commission, which advises the Prime Minister on counteracting discrimination, reserves two seats for Roma and includes a Roma sub-commission with 20 leaders of Roma organizations. Some Roma, such as Robert Jakubowski, an alderman in the town of Konstantynow Lodzki, and Ryszard Rzepka, former commune councilor for Czarny Dunajec, have risen to prominent political positions. Twelve Roma representatives competed in the 2002 Parliamentary elections; although none of them won, the campaign made Roma concerns public. Promotion of Roma Culture ––––––––- 15. (U) Roma culture has been increasingly celebrated and helps promote a positive image of the community. The two largest Roma music festivals, the Romane Dyvesa (The International Meeting of Gypsy Bands) in Gorzow Wielkopolski and the International Song and Roma Culture Festival in Ciechocinek, draw thousands of people. There are a number of Roma publications, the largest being „Rrom p-o Drom,” a monthly magazine published in Bialystok, and &Pheniben Dialogue,8 ARP,s quarterly magazine. Television programming also provides something for the community: TVP Krakow produces U Siebie, a news program for minorities with a portion in the Roma language. 16. (U) In addition to the promotion of Roma culture, the population’s historical struggles have been increasingly acknowledged. Since 2001, several exhibitions commemorating Roma martyrdom have been held at Auschwitz, which celebrates the &Hidden Holocaust8 of the Roma every August. In October 2006, Alfreda Markowska, a Roma who saved Jewish and Roma children during the Holocaust, was awarded the Order of Polonia Restituta Commander,s Cross for heroism and exceptional courage by President Kaczynski. 17. (SBU) COMMENT: Although the Roma population in Poland is significantly smaller than communities in other Central European countries, it remains an important issue to follow. The situation of the Roma in Poland has improved thanks to government initiatives, but challenges remain. The Program for the Roma Community offers increasing possibilities for education and improved living conditions to the Roma but relies on individual motivation and activism in order for Roma to succeed. Leading Roma authority Andrzej Mirga of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) identified education as the only way to breakthrough rampant poverty and improve the Romas, circumstances. Ongoing efforts are required to dispel negative images of the Roma. To make effective change, GOP initiatives must strike a delicate balance between allowing Roma to maintain their own customs and improve their situation. END COMMENT. HILLAS

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